Mother figure or femme fatale?
Paulus Manker
Although she was probably happy during the time she was together
with her men, the remainders of that relations were not of
particular happiness for her. That counts for baby Martin,
who died as a child of seven months, that counts for Manon,
the young angel, who died in her early twenties, then the
abortion of Kokoschka´s baby, and Mahler´s first
daughter died at the age of five. It was not exactly a very
pleasant part in her life that remained from the semen of
the geniuses.
Joshua Sobol
Of course children mortality in those times was very high.
And we know now that Diphterya which killed her first daughter,
Maria Anna, would not kill her daughter nowadays. One would
treat it with antibiotics, and that would be finished all.
Polyomyelitis, which killed Manon Gropius, would not even
occur today. That was part of the fate of many people who
only managed to have one child out of four remaining alife.
So it was with Alma, too.
But Alma was not a great mother, that is clear. She did not
care very much about her children. We hear that Anna, Mahler´s
second daughter, the only one who survived, and reached old
age, didn´t admire her very much. She does not speak
about Alma with great enthusiasm as a mother. And we know
that, when Baby Martin died, Alma did not come even for the
funeral. She abandoned him. She could not cope with feelings
of pain. She was weak in that sense, she could not cope with
suffering.
You could say that it was not motherly care that made of
her the figure she was. It was some other kind of femininity,
which you could describe as very strong eroticism, very violent
sexuality seems to me to be the case. Very, sometimes contradictory
movements in her psyche, very fast transitions of mood. From
enthusiasm to cruelty, from being with someone to betraying
him. Faithfulness was not exactly her cup of tea. So, in all
that senses she is a very dramatic feminine character.
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Paulus Manker
For Alma´s men it was always a catastrophe when the
children vanished Alma had given birth to, because they were
the last and utmost prove of their common love. For Mahler
it was a catastrophe to loose his first daughter, and the
catastrophe for Kokoschka was that he so desperately wanted
her to keep the baby which Alma aborted then, as a prove that
their love was eternal, and she was going to stay with him
forever. And Gropius´s daughter Manon was the utmost
prove of Alma´s ability to create an angel, as Alban
Berg put it when he dedicated his violin concerto to Manon,
"to the memory of an angel".
Joshua Sobol
The men probably wanted to possess Alma. And one of the symbols
of possession is always when the woman is giving birth to
a child with the offspring of the men. But Alma was not cooperative
in that sense. She did not like that idea that she should
be possessed through her children. That´s why one has
the impression that when she got pregnant she was not attached
to that pregnancy, she was not attached to the babies, and
she did not want to be possessed through the children. And
she got pregnant probably very easyly, with Kokoschka it happened
she said that whenever he passed by near her, she got pregnant.
Only with Manon the story is different, because Manon was
so beautiful in her eyes (and we also have desciptions of
her by Canetti), and Manon was probably really a very charming
creature. But I think that Alma romanticized Manon´s
beauty also. She made of it the symbol of perfection which
was the outcome of her perfect physical relationship with
Gropius, with an "Aryan God", as she has put it.
And she put herself for an Aryan goddess, of course. And Manon
was the outcome, and that was an achievement of perfection,
of beauty. That´s what she attaches to Manon. I don´t
know how much she was in love with Manon, I wonder. Of course
she was shattered by Manon´s death, but the words she
is using about Manon, and the way she desribes even Manon´s
death, it remains in the realm of the beautiful, everything
was beautiful, and she never speaks really about pain there.
I don´t find an expression of pain when it happens.
Nothing shatters her in the death of others. That´s
how she reacts to Mahler´s death, and how she reacts
later to Werfel´s death. She overcomes it, she survives
it very easyly. Which is a sign of her vitality. And she survives
the death of her children. Nothing seems to shatter her. So
I have seen in her a kind of animal energy, animal mentality.
And something that maybe explains what made her such a powerful
woman in the lifes of her men.
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